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		<title>By: Bill Knauer</title>
		<link>http://learningmix.org/2008/01/31/photo-storage/#comment-7206</link>
		<author>Bill Knauer</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://learningmix.org/2008/01/31/photo-storage/#comment-7206</guid>
		<description>Here's what I got back from the folks at Flickr:

&gt;Thank you for contacting Flickr Customer Care.
&gt;
&gt;Ill be glad to answer your question. You probably came to
&gt;the same 
&gt;conclusion. I see no inconvenience as it will be used for
&gt;eduacational 
&gt;purposes, no commercial use is involved. In other words...
&gt;Welcome! 
&gt;Enjoy Flickr.

Go figure.

So, I guess the question returns to the logistics. Now that we know we can, does it make sense to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s what I got back from the folks at Flickr:</p>
<p>>Thank you for contacting Flickr Customer Care.<br />
><br />
>Ill be glad to answer your question. You probably came to<br />
>the same<br />
>conclusion. I see no inconvenience as it will be used for<br />
>eduacational<br />
>purposes, no commercial use is involved. In other words&#8230;<br />
>Welcome!<br />
>Enjoy Flickr.</p>
<p>Go figure.</p>
<p>So, I guess the question returns to the logistics. Now that we know we can, does it make sense to?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Knauer</title>
		<link>http://learningmix.org/2008/01/31/photo-storage/#comment-7205</link>
		<author>Bill Knauer</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://learningmix.org/2008/01/31/photo-storage/#comment-7205</guid>
		<description>Here's the note I sent to the Flickr folks:

Good morning. I'm the tech director at an independent school in Brooklyn, NY. It occurred to me that Flickr would be a great way for teachers to consolidate and share photos at the school. Would it be acceptable under your terms of use to pay for a Flickr Pro account that could then be shared by faculty? I've read your guidelines that forbid commercial use, but this would only be used for educational purposes. Thanks in advance for your assistance. Best regards, Bill Knauer

Can't hurt to ask, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the note I sent to the Flickr folks:</p>
<p>Good morning. I&#8217;m the tech director at an independent school in Brooklyn, NY. It occurred to me that Flickr would be a great way for teachers to consolidate and share photos at the school. Would it be acceptable under your terms of use to pay for a Flickr Pro account that could then be shared by faculty? I&#8217;ve read your guidelines that forbid commercial use, but this would only be used for educational purposes. Thanks in advance for your assistance. Best regards, Bill Knauer</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t hurt to ask, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Knauer</title>
		<link>http://learningmix.org/2008/01/31/photo-storage/#comment-7204</link>
		<author>Bill Knauer</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://learningmix.org/2008/01/31/photo-storage/#comment-7204</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;Arvind,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I looked for the personal use language to see how it was worded but could only find this under the guidelines:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Don’t use Flickr for commercial purposes.&lt;br /&gt;
Flickr is for personal use only. If we find you selling products, services, or yourself through your photostream, we will terminate your account. Any other commercial use of Flickr, Flickr technologies (including APIs, FlickrMail, etc), or Flickr accounts must be approved by Flickr. For more information on leveraging Flickr APIs, please see our Services page. If you have other open questions about commercial usage of Flickr, please feel free to contact us.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This seems to a personal/commercial distinction rather than a personal/communal one. Did you find more specific language somewhere that lays out more clearly the terms of use?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In any case, I think I'll contact them to see how they respond.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arvind,</p>
<p>I looked for the personal use language to see how it was worded but could only find this under the guidelines:</p>
<p>Don’t use Flickr for commercial purposes.<br />
Flickr is for personal use only. If we find you selling products, services, or yourself through your photostream, we will terminate your account. Any other commercial use of Flickr, Flickr technologies (including APIs, FlickrMail, etc), or Flickr accounts must be approved by Flickr. For more information on leveraging Flickr APIs, please see our Services page. If you have other open questions about commercial usage of Flickr, please feel free to contact us.</p>
<p>This seems to a personal/commercial distinction rather than a personal/communal one. Did you find more specific language somewhere that lays out more clearly the terms of use?</p>
<p>In any case, I think I&#8217;ll contact them to see how they respond.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Ragone</title>
		<link>http://learningmix.org/2008/01/31/photo-storage/#comment-7203</link>
		<author>Alex Ragone</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://learningmix.org/2008/01/31/photo-storage/#comment-7203</guid>
		<description>Hey Bill -- Drupal allows for LDAP auth and there is a plug in for Gallery2.  Gallery2 has a Java based app (much like Flickr uploader) that works really well and resizes images.  Then you can upload them to your gallery2 and link your blog to there.  I'm testing this on my personal web site at ragonefamily.net.  

I'm thinking about using this for an online repository for art faculty and the many digital images that we use here.  Now, for the server and storage:-)

Hope this helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Bill &#8212; Drupal allows for LDAP auth and there is a plug in for Gallery2.  Gallery2 has a Java based app (much like Flickr uploader) that works really well and resizes images.  Then you can upload them to your gallery2 and link your blog to there.  I&#8217;m testing this on my personal web site at ragonefamily.net.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking about using this for an online repository for art faculty and the many digital images that we use here.  Now, for the server and storage:-)</p>
<p>Hope this helps.</p>
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		<title>By: m</title>
		<link>http://learningmix.org/2008/01/31/photo-storage/#comment-7202</link>
		<author>m</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://learningmix.org/2008/01/31/photo-storage/#comment-7202</guid>
		<description>i'm using flickr for my work and it is easy and  intuitive but i can see how it would be general chaos if a large group of kids were left to post without any structure. of course you could have some control of you set up specific "sets" and "groups" for organizing images.
since most personals and other sites receiving info from the general public have a screening or two stage process why not do something like that?
posting to a staging site first-and that could be as simple as an attachment to email or a moodle page - then having a selected person/s to review and post to flickr later.
do let us know how this works for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m using flickr for my work and it is easy and  intuitive but i can see how it would be general chaos if a large group of kids were left to post without any structure. of course you could have some control of you set up specific &#8220;sets&#8221; and &#8220;groups&#8221; for organizing images.<br />
since most personals and other sites receiving info from the general public have a screening or two stage process why not do something like that?<br />
posting to a staging site first-and that could be as simple as an attachment to email or a moodle page - then having a selected person/s to review and post to flickr later.<br />
do let us know how this works for you.</p>
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		<title>By: John Porter</title>
		<link>http://learningmix.org/2008/01/31/photo-storage/#comment-7201</link>
		<author>John Porter</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://learningmix.org/2008/01/31/photo-storage/#comment-7201</guid>
		<description>I have a flickr pro account and it is easy to us, especially with the new uploader app.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a flickr pro account and it is easy to us, especially with the new uploader app.</p>
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		<title>By: arvind s grover</title>
		<link>http://learningmix.org/2008/01/31/photo-storage/#comment-7200</link>
		<author>arvind s grover</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://learningmix.org/2008/01/31/photo-storage/#comment-7200</guid>
		<description>Bill, unfortunately Flickr terms of service say that it can only be used for personal use. I love &lt;a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/arvindgrover" rel="nofollow"&gt;my Flickr Pro account&lt;/a&gt;, so am disappointed that we can't take advantage of its features at school.

We currently use &lt;a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&#38;ct=res&#38;cd=1&#38;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.shutterfly.com%2Fprofessional_photo_gallery%2Findex.jsp&#38;ei=W8-hR9r8BYecepONgP8C&#38;usg=AFQjCNEsj_FJlvlqJ-UhTm8zdE7fe966DQ&#38;sig2=TiHdoSFy1Z7GqSNpUTH5Ug" rel="nofollow"&gt;Shutterfly Pro Galleries&lt;/a&gt; for some image hosting, but it is lousy for all the embedding, web 2.0 features we really want.

I have done some research and found some ok hosting options. We haven't really tried implementing any, but &lt;a href="http://www.phanfare.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;Phanfare&lt;a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.zenfolio.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Zenfolio&lt;/a&gt; might be worth a look.

I'm not going to even get into the one login/password thing since I wouldn't go with Flickr due to its terms of service.

Godspeed, and &lt;em&gt;please&lt;/em&gt; let us all know what you find. Also try Twittering this question if you haven't yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill, unfortunately Flickr terms of service say that it can only be used for personal use. I love <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/arvindgrover" rel="nofollow">my Flickr Pro account</a>, so am disappointed that we can&#8217;t take advantage of its features at school.</p>
<p>We currently use <a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=1&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.shutterfly.com%2Fprofessional_photo_gallery%2Findex.jsp&amp;ei=W8-hR9r8BYecepONgP8C&amp;usg=AFQjCNEsj_FJlvlqJ-UhTm8zdE7fe966DQ&amp;sig2=TiHdoSFy1Z7GqSNpUTH5Ug" rel="nofollow">Shutterfly Pro Galleries</a> for some image hosting, but it is lousy for all the embedding, web 2.0 features we really want.</p>
<p>I have done some research and found some ok hosting options. We haven&#8217;t really tried implementing any, but <a href="http://www.phanfare.com" rel="nofollow">Phanfare</a><a> and </a><a href="http://www.zenfolio.com/" rel="nofollow">Zenfolio</a> might be worth a look.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to even get into the one login/password thing since I wouldn&#8217;t go with Flickr due to its terms of service.</p>
<p>Godspeed, and <em>please</em> let us all know what you find. Also try Twittering this question if you haven&#8217;t yet.</p>
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